Masterdebation with Rivs, and Bee

Topic: In World of Warcraft,  Whats more difficult in terms of skill, gear, talent, etc… PvE, or PvP?

Riv says
Anything in WoW is dependent on two things, Gear, and Skill. I always believed skill is worth more then gear, but as you get better and better gear things do get easier no matter what your doing PvPing, or PvEing. Mind you this is an observation, but I feel PvE is harder in terms of it’s end game raiding. I tell you why.
1. Good PvE gear is harder to get, I can get 1k resilience, and doable PvP gear in a matter of weeks, not months like good, decent PvE gear.
2. More coordination is involved, and you need to follow the strat, I’m working with 9 to 24 other people, and we need to be on point to make things happen.
3. If PvE was so simple, everyone would be walking around with Kingslayer titles.
4. When I PvP, it usually boils down to solo act, or zerg action, and zerging as we all know takes no skill.
5. Resilience has made PvP easier, Once you have it, you live longer, thus you take more chances.
6. PvP is more forgiving, I can still PvP with crappy gear, While you won’t be able to raid if you can’t pull your weight.
7. There’s no skill in Arena, it’s all about gear, and class combos. Like a giant game of rock, paper, scissors.
8. It takes more planning, and preperation to be involved in raiding, in terms of making sure you have stuff for buffs, and right class combos.
9. In PvE, you fail, your team fails, your locked out. In PvP your failure only lasts as long as the BG, or Arena your in.
10. In PvP everyone is a winner, regardless if you lose or win, you get honor to buy better gear. In PvE you don’t kill anything, you get shite.
For these reasons I believe PvE is for lack of a better term… is more difficult. Now lets hear what  Bee has to say on this, if she can stop shopping for shoes online for a second, or whatever girls do with there spare time.

Bee Says….

I can think of 2 main reasons that PVP is harder than PVE.


  1. An ever-changing landscape of play. PVE is predictable. You have the ability to study the mechanics of a boss fight in order to get better and eventually achieve success. Although the basic structure of a BG or Arena will always be the same – the forces against you will always be different. There is no way to plan.
  2. No choice of teammates. When forming a PVE raid you have the ability to carefully pick and choose each raid member based upon their spec/abilities/gear/non-combat pet/sexy-vent-voice. In a BG, you could queue as a party with up to 5 people – however, not everyone has such luxuries. Even if you do, you will still have at least half of your team that could be complete morons. It only takes one of these morons to cap snowfall graveyard.

Basically, you can think of PVP as a raid where you have no choice in who is on your raid team and no idea who you will be fighting against. To be fair… You do find out where you will be playing and who you will be playing with and against a whole two minutes before the round begins.  Don’t worry, that’s plenty of time  properly buff each player and determine a strategy for success – all without knowing the abilities of your enemy.  Also, there is no vent in most BG’s. Better learn to type and run at the same time.

Now, Arenas are a different beast all together. I will just simply state, that arenas have no real predictability. Yes you can setup winning teams – and some work better than others. But, I know when I’m raiding ICC that Professor Putricide isn’t going to surprise me. I know his abilities. I have infinite time to prepare to fight against him. I know if the tank in the group is doing his job that I will never have to worry about getting Putricide aggro. In Arena play, you can prepare and study… but you never really can know what the other team might throw your way. Riv says it’s all about gear and class combos. Well I could say the same of raiding. Do you know what classes the most recent team to win Blizzard’s 5-man arena tournament consisted of? Four rogues and a frost mage. Yes, I realize that 5v5 was played for bragging-rights only. I just point this out to show that Arenas are not always so cut and paste. If you had told me a 5v5 team with no healer was gonna take the top spot, I probably would have laughed in your face.

The gear system for PVP, due to the recent increases in honor earned per battleground (and also the advent of random battlegrounds), has become a lot easier. I’ll admit that. However, it still takes an extreme amount of dedication and skill (2200+ Arena rating) to obtain all of the very best Wrathful gear items. So yes, you grind time in BG’s and farm arena points to get a nice relentless/wrathful gear set. But that’s all you’re gonna be able to do without having some major dedication and skill. PVE gear grind could be as simple as farming daily heroics. Two frost badges a day + a long ass time = a four-set bonus T10 gear set. (add in a weekly 10man/25 man pug of ICC and the weekly raid for even faster frost badge accumlation). I’m comfortable saying  a decent PVE set is just as easy to farm for as a decent PVP set. It doesn’t take a huge amount of skill or class knowledge.  You can be carried through daily heroics just as easily as your team in a BG can carry you. 

In closing, PVP is a greater test of a player’s skill because it is unpredictable. I think some loveable retard once said something about a box of chocolates… wish I could remember, wait was that you who said that Rivs? I bet it would be appropriate here.

2 Responses to “Masterdebation with Rivs, and Bee”

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